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YESHUA-MESSIAH OF THE BIBLE--Part Two 

-Includes some interfaith dialogue-

** Because of the many pejorative questions that come from the other major religions concerning the crucifixion and resurrection of Yeshua-Messiah, I would present these selected passages as the clear evidence for these indispensable events for the Christian Church—

-YESHUA-MESSIAH-  

Isa.53: 1Who has believed our report? and to whom has the arm of Jehovah been revealed? [Ref.Jn.12:38] 2For he grew up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he has no form nor comeliness; and when we see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3He was despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief: as one from whom men hide their face; he was despised and we esteemed him not.

4Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; [Ref.Mat.8:17] yet we did esteem him stricken, punished of God, and afflicted. [Ref.Jn.19:7] 5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; [Ref.1Cor.15:3; Heb.9:28; Rom.4:25] the chastisement of our peace was upon him; [Ref.1Pe.2:23-24] and with his stripes we are healed. 6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and Jehovah has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, yet when he was afflicted he opened not his mouth; [Ref.Jn.19:9] as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, [Ref.Acts.8:32-33] so he opened not his mouth. 8By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who among them considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due?

9And they made his grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in his death; [Ref.Mat.27:57-60] although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, [Ref.Jn.1:29] he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, [Ref.Jn.10:14-18] and shall be satisfied: by the knowledge of himself shall my righteous servant justify many; and he shall bear their iniquities. [Ref.Rom.5:18-19] 12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the plunder with the strong; because he poured out his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors: [Ref.Luk.22:37] yet he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. [Ref.2Cor.5:21]

 

Psalm.22: 1My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? [Ref.Mat.27:46] Why are you so far from helping me, and from the words of my groaning? 2O my God, I cry in the daytime, but you answer not; And in the night season, I am not silent. 3But you are holy, O you that inhabit the praises of Israel. 4Our fathers trusted in you: They trusted, and you did deliver them. 5They cried unto you, and were delivered: They trusted in you, and were not put to shame. 6But I am a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised of the people. 7All they that see me laugh me to scorn: They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, 8Commit yourself unto Jehovah; Let him deliver him: Let him rescue him, seeing he delights in him. [Ref.Mat.27:43] 9But you are he that took me out of the womb; you did make me trust when I was upon my mother’s breasts. 10I was cast upon you from the womb; you are my God since my mother bare me.

11Be not far from me; For trouble is near; For there is none to help. 12Many bulls have surrounded me; Strong bulls of Ba-shan have circled round me. 13They come upon me with their open mouth, As a ravening and a roaring lion. 14I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint: My heart is like wax; It is melted within me. 15My strength is dried up like a potsherd; And my tongue clings to my jaws; And you have brought me into the dust of death. 16For dogs have compassed me: A company of evil-doers have enclosed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. [Ref.Mat.27:35; Jn.20:25] 17I may count all my bones; They look and stare upon me. 18They part my garments among them, And upon my vesture do they cast lots. [Ref.Jn.19:24; Luk.23:34] 19But be not far off, O Jehovah: O you my succor, you hurry to help me. 20Deliver my soul from the sword, My darling from the power of the dog. 21Save me from the lion’s mouth; yes, from the horns of the wild-oxen you have answered me.

22I will declare your name unto my brethren: In the midst of the assembly will I praise you. [Ref.Heb.2:12] 23You that fear Jehovah, praise him; All you the seed of Jacob, glorify him; And stand in awe of him, all you the seed of Israel. 24For he has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Neither has he hid his face from him; But when he cried unto him, he heard. 25Of you comes my praise in the great assembly: I will pay my vows before them that fear him. 26The meek shall eat and be satisfied; They shall praise Jehovah that seek after him: Let your heart live for ever. 27All the ends of the earth [the whole earth] shall remember and turn unto Jehovah; And all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before you. 28For the kingdom is Jehovah’s; And he is the ruler over the nations. [Ref.Rev.11:15] 29All the fat ones of the earth shall eat and worship: All they that go down to the dust shall bow before him, Even he that cannot keep his soul alive. 30A seed shall serve him; It shall be told of the Lord unto the generation. 31They shall come and shall declare his righteousness Unto a people that shall be born, that he has done it.

But here in this paper, we are attempting to understand exactly what Jesus accomplished during His first advent, and then exactly what His present position is.

 

Acts.13:34-38--And as concerning that He (God) raised Him (Jesus) from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, He has spoken in this way: I will give You (Jesus) <B> the Holy and sure blessing of David. Because He said in another Psalm: You will not give Your Holy One to see corruption. For David served God, died, and his body saw corruption. But He (Jesus) whom God raised up, saw no corruption. Be it known unto you therefore, brethren, that through this Man (Yeshua-Messiah) is proclaimed unto you remission of sins. (Ref.Ps.16:10)

 

Isa.55:3-5--I will make an Everlasting Covenant with You, even the sure mercies of David. Behold, I have given Him (Jesus) for a witness of the peoples, a Leader, and a Commander of the peoples.

 

Ps.16:10--For You will not leave My (Jesus) soul in Sheol, neither will You suffer Your Holy One to see corruption.

[Jesus, whom God raised up—Ref.Acts.2:32; 3:15, 26; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:30, 33-34, 37; 17:31; Rom.4:24; 6:4; 8:11; 10:9; 1Co.6:14; 15:15; 2Co.4:14; Gal.1:1; Eph.1:20; Col.2:12; 1Th.1:10; Heb.13:20; 1Pe.1:21]

 

Acts.2:24 and 29--(Of Jesus), whom God raised up and loosed the pangs of death. The patriarch David both died, was buried, and his tomb is with us today.

So as to remove much of the confusion that commonly exists between the natural and the supernatural—the visible and the invisible, God has given us this Scripture that demonstrates the natural corruption of David in contrast to the supernatural incorruption of Jesus.

 

Acts.2:30--(David), being a prophet, and [knowing that God had sworn with an oath unto him, that of the fruit of his loins He would set One upon his <B> (David's) throne.] = [this]

 

Ps.132:11--Jehovah has sworn unto David in truth, He will not turn

from it: <B> Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne.

 

Acts.2:31-33a--(The prophet David) foreseeing [this], spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was He left into Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. This Jesus did God raise up, whereof we are all witnesses. <C> Being therefore by the right hand of God exalted.

 

<C> Heb.1:8/Ps.45:6--Of the Son He says, Your throne O God, is for ever

<B> and ever, and the sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Your Kingdom.

 

And we can see this same prophecy pictured in 2Sam.7:12-14a

(Speaking of king David): When your days are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, that shall proceed out of your bowels, and <B> I will establish His Kingdom. And He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of His Kingdom for ever. I will be His Father, and He shall be My Son.

The eternal aspects of this prophecy demands its fulfillment only in the only eternal King; the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[<B> Isa.16:5--And a throne shall be established in lovingkindness, and One shall sit thereon in truth, in the tent of David, judging, and seeking justice, and swift to do righteousness.]

 

<B> Acts.2:34--For David ascended not into the heavens, but he said himself: The Lord said unto my Lord, You, sit on My right hand, till I make Your enemies the footstool of Your feet. (Ref.Ps.110:1; Mat.22:44)

This Scripture was specifically given, so that we could understand the location of this throne that was to be occupied: It is exactly that heavenly throne, that is located at the Father's right hand, where Jesus now sits.

 

We are given another prophecy concerning God's promise to David:

Amos.9:11 and 12--In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof, and I will raise up its ruins, and will build it as in the days of old, that they may possess the remnant of Edom, and all the nations that are called by My name, says Jehovah that does this.

 

And we are told that this prophecy is fulfilled in Acts.15:16-18:

After these things I will return, I will build again the tabernacle of David which is fallen: And I will build again the ruins thereof, and will set it up: That the residue of men(visible Israel) may seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name is called, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.

As a reminder of the precise fulfillment of this prophecy, we need to carefully read Peter's own statement that he gave to the elders at Jerusalem.

Acts.15:7-11--Peter rose up, and said unto them: Brethren, you know that a good while ago God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as He did unto us, and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you make trial of God, that you should put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in like manner as they. (Ref. Peters preaching in Acts chapters 10 and 11.)

 

The apostle James is speaking in Acts.15:13 and 14--Brethren, listen unto me: Symeon (Simon) has rehearsed how God first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name.

The Symeon in this passage, I believe, should read Simon; Because it was Simon Peter who had just rehearsed how God visited the Gentiles through his preaching. V.15: And to this agree the words of the prophets, as it is written: and then quoting Acts 15:16-18/Amos.9:11 and 12. These Scriptures confirm the full inclusion of the Church age into God’s universal reconciliation: The Gentiles were first given the Holy Spirit and were received into God's family through Simon Peter's preaching; Acts.10:34 through 11:18, as rehearsed by Peter in Acts 15:7-11. That time God first visited the Gentiles through Peter's preaching! This is also seen in the quote of Acts.15:16-18/Amos.9:11 and 12, Which shows the sequence of God's call: After these things I will return, and I will build again the tabernacle of David which is fallen. And I will build again the ruins thereof, I will set it up. Jesus makes this statement in Jn.2:19: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will set it up. Speaking of His own resurrection.

The reason for the preceding events follows.

That: (a) The residue of men (those of visible Israel) may seek the Lord.

(b) And all the Gentiles (the Nations), upon whom My name is called.

Says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old. This meeting of elders at Jerusalem, clearly spoke of the fulfillment of Amos.9:11 and 12 at that time.

 

Then the results of this meeting are given in Acts.15:19--where James is still speaking: Wherefore my judgment is, that we trouble not them that from the Gentiles turn to God. Speaking of the yoke that some were trying to place upon the necks of the Gentile disciples. Then a very important letter was written on the above meeting: See Acts.15:23-29 This time of RE-BUILDING clearly represents this dispensation. Which is the dispensation of God's unfavored grace toward all peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations: The Church age. It must be noted here, that to build again or to re-build something, implies the prior existence of that which is to be built again or re-built. Which simply means, that the Church age is nothing more than part of a work that is in progress—God’s universal reconciliation.

 

The removal of all distinction in God's people was prophesied:

God's universal reconciliation is prophesied in Isa.65:1 and 2--I am inquired of them that asked not for Me, I am found of them that sought Me not. I said, behold Me, unto a nation that is not called by My name. I have spread out My hands all the day unto a rebellious people, that walk in a way that is not good, after their own thoughts.

 

And the fulfillment of this prophecy is found in Rom.10:20 and 21:

And Isaiah is very bold, and says: I was found of them that sought Me not, I became manifest unto them that asked not for Me. But as to Israel, He says: All day long did I spread out My hands unto a disobedient and (obstinate) people. 14-1

John Calvin writes concerning Rom.10:20: "As this prophecy is somewhat clearer, that he might excite greater attention he says that it was expressed with great confidence; as though he had said,--`The Prophet did not speak in a figurative language, or with hesitation, but had in plain and clear words declared the calling of the Gentiles.'"

 

Isa.63:16--For You are our Father, though Abraham knows us not, and Israel (Jacob) does not acknowledge us. You, O Jehovah, are our Father, our Redeemer, from everlasting is Your name.

 

The prophesy-Hos.2:23b and 1:10b—I will say unto them that were not My people, you are My people; And they shall say, You are my God. And it shall come to pass that, in the place where it was said unto them: You are not My people, it shall be said unto them: You are the sons of the Living God.

 

And the fulfillment of this prophecy is seen in Rom.9:25 and 26:

As He said in Hosea: I will call that My people, which was not My people, and her beloved that was not beloved. And it shall be, that in a place where it was said unto them: You are not My people, there shall they be called the sons of the Living God.

God's universal reconciliation, presently inclusive of the participating Christian Church, is absolutely prophesied and fulfilled in these revealing Scriptures.

 

Mal.1:11--From the rising of the sun even to the going down of the same, My name shall be great among the Gentiles. And in every place, increase shall be offered to My name, and a pure offering. For My name shall be great among the Gentiles, says Jehovah of Hosts.

Those who would argue, that the Church age is not found in the Old Testament, have certainly discounted some very clear Scriptural revelation.

 

Isa.61:1 and 2a--The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon Me, because Jehovah has anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He has sent Me to bind up the broken-hearted; To proclaim liberty to the captives; And to open the prisons of them that are bound. To proclaim the year of Jehovah's favor.

 

Then the fulfillment here in Lu.4:18 and 19--The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He anointed Me to preach good tidings to the poor: He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind; To set at liberty them that are bruised, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. (Jesus said this was fulfilled.)

I believe that "the year of Jehovah's favor" is in fact this dispensation of God's unfavored grace towards all peoples, tribes, tongues, and Nations; the Church age.

 

Hab.1:5--Behold, you among the nations, and look, and wonder marvelously, for I am working a work in your days, which you will not believe though it be told you.

 

And the same is confirmed in Act.13:41--Behold, you despisers, and wonder, and perish, for I work a work in your days, a work which you shall in no way believe, if one declare it unto you.

Through God's predictions of the present and the past conditions, many in Israel still refuse this new work of God. As also, we find that some in the Church today have not received the complete truth concerning this dispensation. That is, understanding this present dispensation as the eschatological consummation of God's eternal program—the absolute fulfillment of His Everlasting Covenant that He first established with father Abraham.

 

The Church age was in fact prophetic in the Old Testament:

Gal.3:8--The Scriptures foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying: In you shall all the nations be blessed. [Ref.Gen.22:18]

This present body of Believers that are being justified by faith represents the Christian Church; a fractional part of the congregation of God. God, foreseeing the Church age—foreseeing this essential dispensation of grace in the future, preached the good news to father Abraham. The Church age, in all actuality, represents the fulfillment of God's ancient promises that were made to father Abraham. This present dispensation of God’s grace, is simply the manifestation and explanation of those same Covenant promises that were made so long ago. [Ref.Gen.17:1-27]

 

1Cor.2:7--We speak God's wisdom in a mystery, even the wisdom that has been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our (the members of the Church; the Congregation of God) glory.

Here we are given some additional information about the formation of the Congregation of God. We are clearly told that the Congregation of God had both its origin and its destiny foreordained before the worlds. We, who might be members of the invisible Church of Jesus Christ, are a consummating part of the historic peoples of God: That chosen part that will truly reach the Heavenly Jerusalem—the Holy City of God.

 

Zech.2:10 and 11--Sing and rejoice, O Daughter of Zion; for, lo, I come, and will dwell in the midst of you, says Jehovah. And MANY NATIONS shall join themselves to Jehovah in that day, and shall be My people; and I will dwell in the midst of you, and you shall know that Jehovah of Hosts has sent Me unto you. [Immanuel Isa.7:14; Mat.1:23]

 

Jesus tells us in Mat.18:20--For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

2Cor.6:16c--Even as God said: I will dwell in them, and walk in them.

It is unfortunate that many of the ancient peoples of God have failed to understand that Yeshua-Messiah came unto them nearly two millennia ago. But we can thank God that it is never to late for any of us to discover this wonderful truth. With the help of God’s Holy Spirit, we need only receive the fulfilled Old Testament writings at their face value. That each of us would humble him or her self enough to personally ask God for this revelation concerning His hidden mysteries: Those mysteries surrounding this dispensation of His unfavored grace toward all peoples, tribes, tongues, and Nations. To understand that there is no other sacrifice under heaven that could ever satisfy our debit for sin: Only our Passover which has been sacrificed--even Christ. Our own Blessed Yeshua-Messiah--Jesus, the Lord. 1Cor.5:7-8; 1Pe.1:17-21 (RASV)

As I do understand that many would disagree with the doctrines of the Christian Church, doctrines that this paper has set out to demonstrate and prove, I would greatly appreciate any and all comments.

A prayer—Most Holy God, gracefully bless the truth of Your Word to our minds and hearts. -AMEN-

 

 

From Aasim 3-8-02

Peace to all,

I have a few questions.

My transaltion (NRSV) of Isaiah 55:3-5 follows:

3 Incline your ear, and come to me; listen, so that you may live. I will make with you an everlating covenant, my steadfast, sure love for David.

4 See, I made him a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander for the peoples.

5 See, you shall call nations that you do not know, and nations that do not know you shall run to you, because of the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, for he has glorified you.

My translation specifies David as the witness to the peoples and a leader and commander for the peoples. How can Jesus(pbuh) be inferred here?

Psalms 16:10 (NRSV)

10 They have gaped at me with their mouths; they have struck me insolently on the cheek; they mass themselves together against me.

Why is my translation so completely different from the one in the post? Also, the speaker here is Job. Again, how can Jesus(pbuh) be inferred here?

Now, we do find (Acts 2:27) "For you will not abandon my soul to Hades or let your Holy One experience corruption..." But was David really speaking of Jesus, or was he speaking of God (Yaweh)?

Acts 2:31 Forseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, "He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh experience corruption."

Does this actually mean physical resurrection or physical assumption into Heaven. Or does it simply mean that the flesh of a Prophet cannot be defiled by lust, greed, vanity, etc., and that all Prophets are sinless?

Just for starts, of course.

in faith,

Aasim

 

From tkdmask

let me tell you something...

first of all No one witnessed the crusifiction. Second of all 10 to 30 people were crucified a day in dumptsters and fed to dogs by the romans, why would jesus be so special to be on a cross with a thorn on his head crying blood. Third, the bible of peter came 64 years after peter was crusified upside down in a dumptster how could he have written it? We till this day dont even know who matthew or david is. No one can trace these so called authors of the 2000 divisions of the bible. also majoritiy of the priest hood is gay, in the capital of necia 325 ce they did not even know who was crusified! they voted on it being jesus then changed it to god then voted on the trinity! get this, the bible was made by a collection of documents, that the roman pope said " i want this, dont want that" like that and it is proven. the only facts that are correct in the so called bible are this " the earth is centered" that is why galilao was killed!? although it is not. plus the only person god spoke directly to was moses. MOses, MOses, why would god speak to a man on t.v. selling holy water!? Also jesus never states in the bible that he is resorected. yep, he says For i am alive, ALIVE, For as jonas was in the belly of the whale for 3 days and 3 nights i will be in the grave for three days and three nights alive, ALIVE, so
"jesus" died friday night, then woke sunday morning! that brohters and sisters is not 3 days and 3 nights, and why would jesus be hiding if he was just resoructed by GOD!? He never said he is resoructd! Also if i was half god and could make a god D__mn pigion come to life from clay how would i have temptation!? How could he have died for the sins on the cross when babies are still born sinful and dirty and baptized, there is heaven and hell, and there are confessions!? later, plus all the 2,000 divisions that fight and kill each other claim they are correct. talk to your pope about this, but be careful not to turn him around by the shoulders if he is not listening, for you might catch him with his pants down.

later

tkdmask

 

 

From Aaron 3-12

Post#2

Aasim,

Peace.

Thanks for the questions. And I do apologize for being so slow in responding.

First, the connection between Jesus and David is made more than a few of times in the New Testament, with equal Old Testament support—as I have sighted in this paper. See references marked <B>.

I too have a copy of the NRSV, but I use it only sparingly as a reference. I have found that on occasion, it, like so many of the modern versions that are currently in print, seems to take excessive liberty with the Hebrew/Greek interlinear translation. Thus, I have concluded that just because a version of the Bible may be simpler to read, this does not make that version superior. Matter of fact, in more than a few situations it could make that version inferior. It is the multiple layers of understanding that we find in the Holy Bible that makes this practice of simplification a bit risky.

Then to continue, though I obviously believe in this simple understanding that I have offered—Isa.55:3-5 specifically applies to Yeshua-Messiah because of the eternal character of the covenant that is being given. I believe that the eternal things of God, which are specifically pointing towards eternity, can find their complete fulfillment only in Yeshua-Messiah.

You then wrote—"Psalms 16:10 (NRSV)

10 They have gaped at me with their mouths; they have struck me insolently on the cheek; they mass themselves together against me.

Why is my translation so completely different from the one in the post? Also, the speaker here is Job. Again, how can Jesus(pbuh) be inferred here?"

Aasim, you have mistakenly quoted Job.16:10 in your quote here, not Ps.16:10. Then looking at Job.16:10, it too would seem to be relevant to Jesus because of Ps.22:13; Lu.22:64; Jn.18:22.

But we must always remember that there are some Scriptural passages that have not only a historic meaning, but they can also have a prophetic meaning as well. So when we find nearly identical language being used in both an Old Testament passage and then in a New Testament passage, it behooves us to look for the deeper prophetic meaning.

"Now, we do find (Acts 2:27) "For you will not abandon my soul to Hades or let your Holy One experience corruption..." But was David really speaking of Jesus, or was he speaking of God (Yaweh)?"

The answer to your above question is—Yes! The present tense of this same expression that we received in v.27 is given next in vv.31 and 32, where the object is clearly Yeshua-Messiah.

"Acts 2:31 Forseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, "He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh experience corruption."

Does this actually mean physical resurrection or physical assumption into Heaven. Or does it simply mean that the flesh of a Prophet cannot be defiled by lust, greed, vanity, etc., and that all Prophets are sinless?"

Finally, for myself, I try to keep things as simple as possible. These Scriptural passages from Acts.2: say precisely what they mean, and they mean precisely what they say. With respect to Yeshua-Messiah, Acts.2:27 and 31 is simply the stated fulfillment of the predictions that we see sighted in Ps.16:10 and Ps.86:13.

Then the prophet David is probably one of the last prophets that one would want to use, if one were trying to show that "Prophets are sinless". That is, unless I am missing your meaning here.

God’s blessings are upon His peoples.

Aaron

 

From Aaron 3-14

Ref.Post#3 and #6

Tkdmask and Musa

Peace.

(acr Though I believe to criticize and ridicule another religion is completely non-productive, I will nevertheless attempt to respond to your comments.

I would also like to add this—it is not enough to just say that someone or something is wrong, you need to prove it. Then with that in mind, I believe that it may be much easier to prove something that you believe in, rather than trying to disprove something that you do not believe in.)

You write—let me tell you something...

first of all No one witnessed the crusifiction.

(acr First, crucifixions were all public. Then according to the New Testament—John 19:14-42, there were many people who witnessed the crucifixion of Jesus—including His mother, His disciples, the solders, and many of the Jews of that day.

But then again, for you to make such an absolute statement, one would think that you would had to have been there yourself.)

Second of all 10 to 30 people were crucified a day in dumptsters and fed to dogs by the romans, why would jesus be so special to be on a cross with a thorn on his head crying blood.

(acr Jesus was special because, in His righteous innocence, He was being put to death—the Just for the unjust. Even Pilate [Ref. John 18:29-38] found no guilt or unrighteousness in Jesus.

Then I believe that you are mistaken about Jesus "crying blood". You may have been thinking about when Jesus was praying at the Mount of Olives, "His sweat was as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground." Luke 22:44)

Third, the bible of peter came 64 years after peter was crusified upside down in a dumptster how could he have written it? We till this day dont even know who matthew or david is. No one can trace these so called authors of the 2000 divisions of the bible.

(acr All of the apostles, such as Peter, had a number of followers who helped them in their ministries. Who, I am reasonably certain, could have compiled the letters and notes that Peter had left. I would also suggest that anyone who is in God’s service, compiles copious notes.

Then to answer your question concerning the compiling of the Bible. It was accomplished because God wanted it. We have learned that "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God". [Ref. First Timothy .3:16]

Then Second Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." We can all rejoice in the fact that the God of Abraham is still in complete control of everything.)

also majoritiy of the priest hood is gay,

(acr I wonder how you reached this conclusion that the "MAJORITY OF THE PRIEST HOOD IS GAY"? Are you saying that if a few gay priests are found within the priesthood, then the majority of the priesthood is gay? I do not believe that statement to be correct or supportable.)

in the capital of necia 325 ce they did not even know who was crusified! they voted on it being jesus then changed it to god then voted on the trinity!

get this, the bible was made by a collection of documents, that the roman pope said " i want this, dont want that" like that and it is proven.

(acr Because God is in full control of putting His Bible together, we find that the books that were selected for the New Testament were generally written by the apostolic followers of Jesus. And I am sorry to say this, but your attacks upon it and your denial of it will not make the New Testament or the Christian Church to disappear.)

the only facts that are correct in the so called bible are this " the earth is centered" that is why galilao was killed!? although it is not. plus the only person god spoke directly to was moses. MOses, MOses, why would god speak to a man on t.v. selling holy water!?

(acr Unfortunately, throughout time and eternity, all religion has been corrupted by some of those who are within it.

Now if we meticulously follow the Scriptures of Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-13, we will discover that God had chosen long ago to speak to all of His peoples. This direct communication involves the inner spirit of the creature and the Holy Spirit of our Most Holy God.

Romans 8:16 "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:"

This is that evident voice of God that we all might hear.)

Also jesus never states in the bible that he is resorected.

(acr

[The crucifixion of Jesus—Mat.20:19, 23:34, 27:31, Mark.8:31, 9:31, 10:34, 15:13-14, 15:20, 15:27, Luke.18:33, 23:21, 24:7, 24:46, John.19:6, 19:10, 19:15, Heb.6:6]

[The resurrection of Jesus—Mat.20:19, 27:63, Mark.8:31, 9:31, 10:34, Luke.18:33, 24:7, 24:46, Acts.26:23, 1Cor.15:20]

Mat.20:18-19—“18Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests and scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, 19and shall deliver him unto the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify: and the third day he shall be raised up [resurrected].

Mark 9:31 For he [Jesus] taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man [Jesus] is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Mark 14:41 And he [Jesus] come the third time, and said unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man [Jesus] is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Luke 9:22 [Jesus] Saying, The Son of man [Jesus] must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Luke 24:7 [Jesus] Saying, The Son of man [Jesus] must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

[Ref. Zechariah 12:10]

I would also add this, that the Scriptures do not indicate a precise hour that Jesus would rise from the dead on that third day. Actually, the resurrection of Yeshua-Messiah could have happened in the first hour of that third day.)

yep, he says For i am alive, ALIVE, For as jonas was in the belly of the whale for 3 days and 3 nights i will be in the grave for three days and three nights alive, ALIVE, so
"jesus" died friday night, then woke sunday morning! that brohters and sisters is not 3 days and 3 nights, and why would jesus be hiding if he was just resoructed by GOD!? He never said he is resoructd!

(3-20-03 Work on the aspect of being alive! While the man Jesus was put to death when He was crucified, the supernatural Jesus never ceased to live. It is in this respect that Jesus could say to His followers that those who lived and believed in Him would never die.)(acr Here, we are trying to understand infinite things with our finite mind. I would ask this question, exactly what time of that first day was Jonah swallowed-up by this great fish? A considerable number of things happened from the time that Jonah boarded the ship—Jonah 1:3 and the time that Jonah was tossed overboard in Jonah 1:15. Was it the third hour? Was it the sixth hour? Or was it the ninth hour? No one knows for certain the exact time that Jonah was thrown into the sea.

Then tell me this, on that third day of Jonah’s experience, precisely what time did this great fish vomited Jonah out onto the shore? Was it the first hour? Was it the sixth hour? Or could it have been the twelfth hour? Once again, no one knows the precise time that Jonah was vomited out onto the shore. But even when we consider all of the unknown factors involved, this similitude is still appropriate as an approximate demonstration for the crucifixion and resurrection of Yeshua-Messiah.)

Also if i was half god and could make a god D__mn pigion come to life from clay how would i have temptation!?

(acr This created pidgin that you write about is certainly not a Church doctrine, but is simply the product of someone’s vivid imagination.

Also, I do not believe that many within the Christian Church would hold to a "half-God" theory. I am certain that what most of the Christian Church believes, is that Jesus was much more—that Jesus was Completely God and completely man. They would understand this to be one of God’s mysteries.)

How could he have died for the sins on the cross when babies are still born sinful and dirty and baptized, there is heaven and hell, and there are confessions!?

(acr Yeshua-Messiah’s propitiatory work that was accomplished upon the cross, was the atonement for the sins of the whole creation. We must see that the efficacy of this atonement is effected from the Garden of Eden forward to the end of the world. This means that His atonement was efficacious for the first baby—Cain and his parents to the very last baby that will ever be born on this earth. It is because we creatures are born with the stain of our first parents sin against God, that we all require a propitiatory sacrifice for that sin. For that reason, Jesus’ propitiatory sacrifice was sufficient for the whole corporate peoples of God—as well as those who, throughout all time and eternity, are called out from the whole world. [Ref.Jn.3:16]) The propitiatory work of Yeshua-Messiah is not really up for any sort of debate, but it is a necessary reality in God’s gracious plan of redemption.)

later, plus all the 2,000 divisions that fight and kill each other claim they are correct.

talk to your pope about this, but be careful not to turn him around by the shoulders if he is not listening, for you might catch him with his pants down.

later

tkdmask

(acr You have written here, through your apparent anger, many statements and accusations for which you have absolutely no credible evidence.

It would seem that when we set out to ridicule another religion, we invariably end up exhibiting our own insecurities. So if our own religion depends on the legitimacy or the illegitimacy of the other’s religion, we have a huge problem within ourselves to contend with.)

The God of peace guides all of us to His truth.

Aaron

 

From Aaron 3-30

Greetings to all.

I am a little disappointed in the lack of constructive dialogue. Our understanding can only progress when we interact on each other’s thought and ideas.

I would like to wish happy Passover season to everyone: Especially to our Christian brothers and sisters. For our Passover has been sacrificed—even Christ. 1Cor.5:7

Aaron

  

 

 

 

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